I am in Canada now on vacation and I plan on picking up a bottle or two of Revita shampoo. Have you tried that?

Jacob also knows a lot of good shampoos. Maybe he can recommend some.

I am not set up to do that at the current time ---- revita is useless --- used it for a year and nothing ---- their formula isn't concentrated enough --- check out the ingredient list and look at what is listed first to last --- it is just a 1% keto formulation with less concentrated alternatives ---go buy Nizoral and you'd be better off.

Thoughout history the people that have perpatrated the most successful cons/scams have all "seemed so genuine". That's the art of the con!

Ignite has been shipped! To all those who have ordered your wait is almost finished! Please feel free to post your success!

Rye

Great news!!! Can't wait to start. Hope my results are as impressive as yours were.

Furthermore, assuming the ingredients of your shampoo would be an effective treatment what studies and/or evidence can you provide showing that the ingredients would be sufficiently absorbed by just shampooing your hair?

There is nothing new here in the ingredients. Save your money people! The high price is just an empty marketing ploy to prey on our weakness. Don't buy into this hype. It is an evil hook if you take the bait.

there is no scam here --- just wait a couple months and my trialists will squash any doubts that i see are so prevalent here. Some ingredients for MPB are theaflavins, capsaicin, emu oil, piroctone olamine, avocado oil, coconut oil, polysorbate 80, vit. C, grapefruit seed extract, curcumin, amla powder, mustard oil, salysilic acid, raspberry ketones, are most of the primary ingredients and also some of the more expensive ingredients. Price it out and see how much of that stuff you can get in bulk shipped to you and make sure it is the highest quality stuff. $400 is for over a year supply of shampoo and pre-cleanser --- amortize that and compare it to all the other shit you people slather on your scalps and come on here and tell me that it is still expensive! ---Nizoral, Nioxin are all garbage and will do nothing but empty your wallet...they've been around for how long and how many people have honestly said they've had results????...zero!

Good Luck my friend!

Here we go again....

As for the price(s) of the ingreds..there are globs of topicals out there with some..many..almost all of those ingreds...and they do not cost anywhere near $400. Even for a years supply.

Jacob, please squash the cost thing... Rye is not and SHOULD NOT sell it at his cost. He is entitled for the work he goes through to make a profit. I am SO sick of all this anti-capitalist bullcrap I see on the hair loss forums lately (not so much by you but certain people) where people who are profiting from others bash other people for making a profit and act like no one should make a profit on anything. Those people should go move to Cuba and live in a communist system if that's how they really feel. It's great to share knowledge with people so that they can do things themselves and save money... it's SHAMEFUL to bash people who are working hard to produce real, tested products just for making a profit off of them. If a product works, you should get a profit off of it for your work. Some people I won't mention act like saints doing favors for others while making money and ripping others to shreds. Their shameful marketing strategies are plainly visible to anyone with half a brain. Unfortunately some people are not smart enough to see them. I believe in the power of the individual and education. That's always been the philosophy of this site and something that while I was away got changed to self proclaimed experts telling people what is good or not and whatever they don't like is bad and whatever they do like is good.

Had I known when Rye initially came on he was selling his trial products like that in the forums, it would not have been allowed. But at this point, the deed is done, and some respected members have gotten his product. Like some another product I won't name because I don't want to get you started on it, at this point we need to let the results speak for themselves. Rye is not selling his product here now. I always hope any product that someone comes up with actually works because I want people to get results -- so I hope Rye's does and wish him good luck -- especially because I don't want those people to be out of their money with no results.... but they knew it was an expirimental product so they took their chance. We'll see what happens.

Ah..excuseie moi? Squash the cost thing? Even you said "I thought the $400 was for a 6 month supply?" You and I both(and at least I still am) are not having any problem with making money. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and it's pathetic to even bring that up. We're talking about a potential scam/rip-off here. Nothing he has said/provided shows that the product should cost this much..and as you pointed out- it was initially for *6 months*..not a year. Actually he said over a year. It'd be interesting to see how much a custom bottle, or even batch.. of those ingreds would cost at Elsom, for example. No bulk purchase involved..with the bottle at least. Or do 3 bottles or include a shampoo..whatever this combo is.

Others have brought up some interesting questions not having to do with the cost...and of course he's never responded to them.

I have actually encouraged certain folks to go ahead and try to make some $ off of what they're doing. Some that you do not like Some are going about it in the entirely wrong way imo.

This is what happens when someone just makes things up. You can't remember what was said previously..or aren't even thinking about it when posting. This goes to the ingreds that were previously posted..then next they're not in the list..etc.

As for the certain folks I do not like making a profit, I am glad they are too and I support them in that. They should make a profit off their hard work and it sickens me when they begrudge others of the same thing -- they're capitalists for themselves and communists for competitors I just wish they would ADMIT they are making a profit instead of acting like they are doing people favors out of the goodness of their saintly hearts and stop attacking anybody who competes with them or has a non-glowing opinion as a fake poster.

MIkeysEgo..got an ego problem? Thought so. I'm glad it's so obvious though..and I guess the others who dare point it out will get the same treatment..right? Let's see...I see some in this thread..in the other...a bunch at HLF...

Jacob I don't think anyone has a problem with your points you usually raise very good ones -- what irritates folks is that you latch onto something and keep talking about the same thing over and over -- just make your point and be done with it -- people will still read it and don't have to see a back and forth over the same point 3 or 4x

When I said Rye isn't selling any, I meant he is not selling any here. If he is on some other website, that's not something I can do anything about. At this point there has been enough of a fuss on here about it I don't think anyone is going to be messaging him to try to buy any until they see the results speaking for themselves. We should always hope that something like this will work. I'd pay what Rye is charging if it really does... but I'm not going to until I see proof

I can see how it would irritate you. It'd be great if every company were completely open and not afraid of negative things about them, but that's just not way companies work for the most part whether it's hair loss or any other product. They always emphasize the positive and minimize the negative -- it's human nature. You only have to work in the corporate world a very short time to see how this works And in the case of a lot of the companies/people I think you have a problem with jacob, I think a big part of it is that they are very small companies (individuals with few or no employees) and don't have the mega millions like Merck or Glaxo to run large scale trials and hire scientists. That doesn't mean a small company or person can't come up with a good product though. They want to present themselves as best as they can but just don't have the info to really back up their claims. They shouldn't be making those claims unless they can, but putting yourself in the shoes of someone who really believes they've come up with something great, I'm sure it's hard not to tout what you've come up with as the greatest thing since sliced bread. People need to be aware that that is what is happening with these small guys and you do a good job of pointing that out In the end it's still up to the consumer on the other side of the monitor what treatments he wants to use -- everyone comes from a different perspective on approaching the issue and there are quite a few options -- none of them perfect and all with tradeoffs. I just hope we can give them the info here to make the choice that is best for them and gives them the best chance to save their hair and grow as much as they can back.

I remember Sinere when they first came here gave away several bottles to each of a bunch of members here.

That might be the way to go to get some business and testimonials.

"Nizoral, Nioxin are all garbage and will do nothing but empty your wallet...they've been around for how long and how many people have honestly said they've had results????...zero!"

I agree with Rye that Nioxin is nothing more shampoo and will not help with hairloss.

However, the same statement Rye makes regarding Nizoral is inaccurately misleading and rasies legitimate concerns about his agenda. Because, there are actual scientific research studies showing that the Keto in Nizoral is effective in lowering DHT.

That said, and putting the high cost of Rye's shampoo aside, lets focus on Rye's shampoo ingredients.

Rye has listed a multitude of various ingredients that will be included in his shampoo. But, there is very little actual scientific evidence that these ingredients are effective in stopping hairloss and/or thickening or regrowing hair. However, lets give Rye the benefit of the doubt and say that they MAY be helpful.

So, the question becomes twofold:

1. What evidence can Rye present that any of his shampoos ingredients would be absorbed sufficiently through just shampooing your hair with them?

2. What evidence can Rye present that the multitude of ingredients in his shampoo do not compete against eachother for absorption, i.e., one ingredient preventing the effective absorption of others similar to the way that gradefruit juice interferes with the absorption of certain drugs?

So is Alpecin Caffeine Shampoo and their Caffeine leave on liquid.

Sandman...I thought that grapefruit juice enhances absorption?

It may be possible that "grapefruit juice enhances absorption" of some compounds and medications, etc.

However, if you do a Google search you'll find a long list of medications that grapefruit interferes with. To name a few, statin blockers like Lipitor and Zocar, medications used to treat high blood pressure , antidepresent and antiseizure medications.

In short, my point with the ingredients in Rye's shampoo is does Rye really know what he's doing or has he just put multitude of ingredients into a homemade concoction with no idea know said ingredients with interact among themselves?

First off i used both Nizoral and Nioxin for a while without any substantial results that is why i can say they are garbage (for me) they didn't work and i am entitled to my own opinion. Yes Nizoral and Nioxin are in a different class as keto has been proved to manage DHT but it didn't do squat for me so that is what i based my opinion on.

When i first came on here i thought a 6 month supply should do...when i finished formulating a bulk batch and bottled i pumped out 245 pumps from one bottle and i had been using one pump a day when i showered so i sent two bottles and if you use one pump a day you get 400 plus days of shampoo...so that is where the 60/month to 30 bucks/month came into the equation.

For me to send samples is almost impossible...i would have to buy bulk ingredients and bottles and formulate and ship small sample sizes?...think about it and try do that yourself with the list i provided...find ingredients price them out and figure out shipping and see how that works out for you --- i am not a company and will not send out 'free' samples out of my own pocket.

As to the which ingredient blocks absorption the version i used for over a year worked for me so that is proof enough for me that something is right in the formula.

"I have to say that Jacob was definitely the kid who got picked on when he was in middle school. I work with 11, 12 and 13 yr olds all day long and then I come on here hoping to read about some new breakthrough and all I read through is annoying remarks from Jacob. "

If you had said that to me I would consider it an insulting personal attack, and you would probably consider it an insult if someone said it to your face. Comparing someone to a middle schooler is a personal attack. Jacob's been around a while and from my knowledge of him it's not going to bother him too much, but it's still against the rules and when new visitors here see people being personally attacked, it can make them not want to post for fear of being attacked. That is not what this site is about.

Rye, I am guessing if I ask everyone here whether they think what you charged people is actually what all those ingredients cost, not very many people are going to believe you are only charging cost. If you're making a profit, you're a company whether you're an individual or 500 people. Are you telling me you individually bought those ingredients for each shampoo and mixed them separately instead of a big batch and you only had exactly what it took to make it for only those people? I don't buy that. When you order in bulk you usually get standard sizes, not specific gram amounts by order. I'm not saying you should be sending everyone who wants them free samples, but if you expect to charge people that kind of money and be able to freely discuss it on a site like this, it's only common courtesy to provide samples of those products to the site so that they can be evaluated. If you're planning on marketing this if it works, which it seems like you are, it's not very smart marketing to be cheap when you get free promotion out of it. If you weren't planning on marketing it, why would you give it a snazzy name like "Ignite Shampoo"?

Small sample bottles would be useless because you wouldn't see any results for 6 months anyway. You would need fairly large sample bottles. I guess all you can do is take your chances and pay your money. Or maybe a bunch of you guys could pitch in and order just one year's supply and have a neutral (guinea pig) person here try it out. If he gets some results after 6 months then maybe others will get some too. That way not everybody will be shelling out $400 a pop.

btw.....ScottRegrowth looks like he's wearing a wig or a transplant to me

"i used for over a year worked for me so that is proof enough for me that something is right in the formula."

Seems to me that if Rye really knew what he is doing, other then putting a multitude of various ingredients into a pot and mixing them together, he'd be able to at least present a brief outline as to why the ingredients of his shampoo are compatible in the same mix and/or why any of the said ingredients would be effective at all through a simple shampoo absorbtion.

To date, unless I've missed something, the only evidence Rye has presented is a marketing sales pitch for his shampoo saying it worked for me and that's all anyone needs to know. Rye's entire presentation has all the elements of a scam!

I, and (I believe) about eight or nine others will be testing Rye's formulations over the next twelve months. Rye did not actively market this stuff. He responded to the request from a number of US who asked HIM if we could be test subjects. Are the ingredients as expensive as he says? I don't know, I'm taking his word on that. And we all paid for the privilege of participating. Were we foolish to do so? Perhaps. Only time will tell. We will report back as to our results - or lack thereof! If this stuff works, Rye will be a very, very rich man. We all know that. If it doesn't, his shampoo and pre-cleanser will join the legion of products which have disappointed so many of us.

In the meantime, I would suggest that you all hold your questions, and keep your powder dry. Obviously Rye is not able or willing to answer those questions to your satisfaction. And you all look foolish (particularly un pescado que se llama LAZER) asking for free samples. That's clearly not going to happen...

Whether you want to give out free samples is up to you but I don't understand why giving out free samples is such a hardship (aside from losing money, lol)

Aren't you already buying bulk ingredients? Are you saying the formula would be different for a small bottle compared to a larger one?

"I am not willing to change my formulation at this time as it has given some great results so far...i will post a before and after picture of myself 1 year ago and one that i have taken recently. I was a diffuse thinner and using this combo i have turned about 25-30% of those vellus hairs terminal and there is a lot more vellus hair where there was none before! I am currently cooking up a batch for Nid and PP to trial and see if they want to invest in my product. If there is some interest in trialing i am sure we could work something out --- but because i am not making bulk batches it is a little costly to make about a 6 month supply. (just raw materials). If your interested let me know --- i would like to see the results in a greater span of people. i will post my email when i post the photos. "

Asking people in a public forum 'if you're interested, let me know' is marketing. It'd be the same as if any other company posted about their product and said if you're interested in our product, contact us. It's not allowed.

Did the photos ever get posted? If not I think Rye should post those as well so we can actually see what the hubub is about! And my concern is not so much the results (those will have to wait), but the way he talks about other products when he is himself making a product. As someone who is working on marketing a product, he's not allowed to denigrate competition here by calling Nizoral or Nioxin useless. He has a vested interest in downtalking other products as he hopes to make money in the future selling his own and has made money selling these 'trials'. I'm not sure I really call paying fully for a product up front a trial -- to me that's an outright purchase, and it's not like he's giving people money back if it doesn't work... so really he sold products, not trials But at this point what's done is done.

He has actually lost money making these batches for folks, there has been no profit here. He offered to make it for people after they requested, not the other way around. I've sourced every ingredient myself in the past and it is *not* cheap to put that together.

Essentially, I made an update saying that Primordial is working with someone on a HairGen shampoo/pre-shampoo that may be an adjunct to the topical that I created that is going into trials soon. I asked Ryan if he'd like to come on the thread to answer questions about it as folks were curious, and he did. He posted his 1-year results, people were real impressed, and didn't want to wait for a public release.

I want to clear things up right now...if it were being sold publicly by Primordial, you would be getting advertising money and it'd be featured on this site, without a doubt. But, the original idea was that he was going to send a sample to Primordial so they could make sure it's legit, and a 6-month supply to me to test on myself before giving Primordial the thumbs-up.

Anywho, people were urging him to make 6-month batches for them as well, and he said if he gets enough folks he'd be able to get a bulk discount rate somewhere in the $300s. He wound up getting 9 folks, which wasn't enough, and it came out to about $450 per batch. Ryan even e-mailed me recently saying it was a mistake to get involved in this as he's lost money and a lot of time on it.

Who were those doing the urging btw? I have no idea..just curious. Known posters I hope..?

It's people like Rye that made Regrowth a magnificant place over the past year, doing favors for others. I did this with custom hair growth factor group buys (until Caregen found out that I wasn't buying their product out-of-pocket, rather, via group buy). This would not have been possible without folks trusting me, and there was actually a lot of pleasant feedback that I received on the custom grwoth factor formulation. If folks want to be a part of something via this forum, then encourage it. That's the only way that we're going to find a cure for hair loss together. It's never going to come from some drug company, as it's far more profitable to keep people buying Propecia than to just give them a one-time cure.

And, in the end, you stand to gain because if it does wind up being mass-produced, then you get advertising money. However, discouraging efforts in the community to work together to try to cure their hair loss hurts everybody.

Even though I hope Rye's product is great, it's unlikely any shampoo is going to be a cure for everyone. And there is are multiple companies working on the cure for hair loss in the forum of cultured follicles and others working on others. As for the drug companies, it's pretty much the height of ingratitude to rip on one that figures out that DHT is a major culprit in hair loss, finds a treatment to block it and comes out with it to give the masses a better treatment than they EVER had before... then armchair quarterbacks sit back and go 'ahhhh they're just ripping people off so they can make continuing money!' It's not like Merck or other companies are sitting on better treatments that they know will cure things just to make money. They put out and sell what they come up with. Merck has done more for people with hair loss than anybody in these forums, me, you, anyone -- because they've helped more people keep and regrow hair than anyone else. They sunk HUNDREDS of millions into their product to get it approved and didn't ask people to pay for it when they were testing it.

I believe Intercytex or some other company will come out with hair culturing in a few years and put almost everyone out of business who's in the hair loss industry now. I don't think a cure is going to come from some little guy in his basement simply because he does not have the resources, and if someone were going to do that it probably would have happened by now since people have been trying to put natural compounds together for THOUSANDS of years to treat hair loss with little luck.

If they end up being an advertiser eventually, I'll deal with that then... but every person offering something in the forums for money other than individuals offering indivdual one off items in the buy/sell forum must follow the commercial policies set for ALL businesses.

Rye has made no claims whatsoever regarding how it would be done for people, and he did not come to this forum to recruit people. He came to this forum at my behest to answer questions about the HairGen shampoo. It's the forumers that wanted to purchase it ASAP, and then he simply listed his contact information.

And, I think you'd be surprised just how effectively other cultures have used natural compounds to treat hair loss over these thousands of years.

One more thing--since Rye isn't a business, he's just a forum user, how can the rules apply to him? One more thing, this isn't just a shampoo. It's a pre-shampoo and shampoo. The pre-shampoo most likely is where most of the benefit is derived as you leave it on a good enough time to let the actives absorb.

I just got mine in today, and I will keep folks posted on how it goes over the coming months. I'm also well aware of what Follica, Intercytex, etc. are doing, been following it for over a year now. Nothing of note yet that would give me much hope.

Btw, Merck had those hundreds of millions of bucks to sink into those trials by destroying people with their sickening vaccinations and antibiotics. They make money off of the sick staying somewhere between alive and dead. They're the enemy of holistic, natural medicine, and ultimately the enemy of every individual within their sphere of influence. They manipulate politicians with campaign contributions and special interest groups (all donor lists are publicly available, feel free to look at Obama's donors or anybody else pushing the public option), have the FDA in their pocket (many of those that serve on the FDA board are actually ex-pharmaceutical reps, I know this from a friend that works with them first-hand), and are one of the primary reasons why real cures for cancer are barred from medical practice in America.

Trying to paint Merck as some benevolent corporation is disgusting when they have the blood of millions on their hands. If you want to use Propecia, fine--maybe it'll save your hair. However, we've discussed many times in the past how it affects your body chemistry, and I'd rather educate someone and have them make their own decision than just say "take this pill, it'll reduce your shedding".

I've had EXCELLENT results with Finasteride, and I plan to continue to use it a long time.. .and studies have shown it has an excellent chance of reducing my risk of prostate cancer, one of the main killers of men. Where are the photos of all the users with great results of natural treatments to do the same thing as Propecia and Minoxidil?? I haven't seen them.

But I wanted to welcome you back to Regrowth Nid! Sorry for the interruption guys. Carry on.

Rye has made claims...

"I just got mine in today, and I will keep folks posted on how it goes over the coming months." ...Nid...for crying out loud. You say this with everything. How in the world are you going to know when you're using so many other things..including Scalpure- which you said before you started that you'd be using it on it's own....???

BTW..back to what I"ve said before. Regarding :"One more thing, this isn't just a shampoo. It's a pre-shampoo and shampoo. The pre-shampoo most likely is where most of the benefit is derived as you leave it on a good enough time to let the actives absorb" Why not just make one product...a topical.

Btw I also think Fin is extreme and I am not taking it either. The potential sides are too frightening for me.

And Jacob I think nanospheres are extreme. Maybe a baseless fear, but I don't trust them. I am pretty cautious and conservative when it comes to health.

These forums should be for people who are willing to give their knowledge for free. Ef these greedy bastards who proclaim to have the cure but only want to use us as guinea pigs. And we should feel sorry their losing money, I don't think so. If Rye has this cure he should go to Hollywood and get some of these rich balding actors to sponsor his product. If it works so great I am sure someone like Mel Gibson would probably put him in his next movie to boot.

And Jacob I agree on your comment to Nid. How does he know. I do so many things myself that I can't say for sure what is doing what. All I do know is my combo is working for me.

LLLT twice a week with a 366 diode helmet for 22 minutes each session.

Scalp peel once a month with Papaya-glycolic Gentle Skin Peel (note it has Bentonite Clay, which Prague talked about 2.5 years ago before Scalpure.) You start off doing it weekly for 4 weeks then go to once a month.

Topical: unrefined organic virgin coconut oil and tea tree oil two to three times a week. I apply both and lightly massage into the scalp and shampoo out 15 to 60 minutes later.

Shampoo: I wash my hair twice a day. Morning shampoo is Aubrey's J.A.Y (discovered independently of IH.) and Aubrey's Men Stock ginseng (found because of IH). The morning shampoo I use a mix of my JAY shampoo and anhydrous caffeine powder and leave in about 1-2 minutes. I use a pretty high grainy concentration.

Supplements: Probiotics Jarrow EPS (discovered independently of IH) MSM (about 5-6 grams a day) Biosil (8 drops twice daily) Toco-8 (just started a few weeks ago) Resveratrol 100 Jarrows Curcumin 95 Jarrows R-lipoic acid Green Tea Grape seed extract Vit C Nettle Root N-A-C (great for fighting fibrosis) Acetyl l-carnatine CoQ10 Maca Hyaluronic Acid 7 HMR lignans Black Currant Oil Biotin Glucosamine V Pure Omega 3 Spiru-tein (it is my protein shake but it has good amount of spirulina and lots of other stuff)

Before bedtime: L-arginine Zinc+B6 and Magnesium (basically ZMA)

I have pretty clean diet with virtually no refined sugar or crap carbs. I eat lot of good veggies etc.

I guess I'd also ask Nid what in Rye's product would be so much more expensive than what will be in PP's topical?

Lapwing..I would agree that certain "nanospheres" can be risky. The ones being used..in products I use anyway..are made of natural substances. Things already found in the body.

In regard to your statememt that the pharmaceutical companies are "destroying people with their sickening vaccinations and antibiotics".

I wonder if you'd mind telling us how many lives were destroyed by the Polio vaccine or were destroyed by antibiotics used to treat inflections that could lead to gangrene?

A judicious use and making of vaccinations is maybe ok, but the newer trend is to add super adjuvents and other stuff to them that makes them highly dangerous in my book. I am not getting the swine flu H1N1 vaccination, no way.

My cats were vaccinated as kittens and it nearly killed them. It took about 3 years for them to fully/mostly recover. This is quite common, unfortunately. The Gulf War syndrome has been linked to the crappy vaccinations with adjuvents the army gave the troops.

Pharmaceutical companies only care about revenue streams not your individual health.

Medicine is not perfect. The same goes for natural therapies. You can get side effects from both. There is a difference between accepting that to get a benefit in the majority of people for a medicine some people are going to accept side effects, and condemning the makers of those as not caring. If they could make a side effect free treatment, they would -- it would help their sales The fact is they put out the best things they are can to treat medical problems because for most people with those problems, it's better than the alternative.

Yes, there is as much of a profit motivation by pharmaceutical companies as there is a motivation to help people. But that's also why there are more treatments produced here for serious illnesses than any other country. It's great to say 'well it's medicine no one should profit or have that as a motivation', but all you have to do is look at REALITY to see that when profit is taken out of the equation, there is less motivation and less actual results as far as producing new medicines. How many fantastic treatments for healthcare problems and new medicines have you heard coming from Cuba??? Ever wonder why that is?? The medical field is FAR from perfect -- how much in life is. Yes, in a perfect world there would be no side effects, and everyone would work as hard on medical problems to find cures as they do when there is a profit motive involved. But we don't live in a perfect world. I'd take the trade offs of a profit incentive based system over one where there is no profit incentive any day. There needs to be reform of the existing system, and you can argue that there should be better safeguards built in... but that still doesn't change the fact that it is the way things are run here that have produced so many advances in the medical field that aren't produced elsewhere where the profit incentive is much more limited or non-existent.

I have no problem with what Rye is doing as long as he follows the rules of the site. He should be paid back for what work he does -- if he charged too little he should have charged more But he's not doing it solely out of the kindness of his heart -- he's working to make a product and a commercial venture. If he wasn't he would share all the exact information of how his formula is made so that people could do it themselves. He has a profit motive just like a pharmaceutical company, and there's nothing at all wrong with that. He is putting in work to develop something, to mix it, to ship it, etc. I just don't want him pretending or anyone else to pretend it's not without a profit motive.

Over the years, however, I've slacked off the Proscar and Minoxidil...and my diffuse thinning has progressed. Getting married along the way has made me less aggressive towards this problem...not to mention not wanting the Proscar side effects.

I've watched this forum for over 12 years now and never commented until now. Why now? Late at night, sometimes I get bored...and end up spending money on something I find online. It's easy to whip out that credit card to satisfy a quick fix I suppose. I happened upon Rye's pictures on these forums and was intrigued. It seemed that his before picture looked similar to my head now. I dreamed of the possibility of looking like his after picture...as I'm sure most of us would.

I emailed Rye to see if I could be in his trial...(if it wasn't too late)...and he said yes. I sent him $400+ thru PayPal...and hoped that it wasn't a scam. It took a little over a month and a few follow up emails, but I finally received 2 bottles of shampoo and 1 bottle of the leave in treatment. The way that I normally use haircare products...this could actually last me a year. I typically use about the size of a quarter in the palm of my hand.

As you can imagine, I've tried alot of stuff over the years...and nothing has worked for me quite like the old Proscar and Minoxidil routine...but even that has lost it effectiveness. When it worked the best for me, I was still in my 20's. I'm 37 now...and still looking for the next thing to try.

For those of you old enough to remember, I feel like Dr. David Banner ( 1980's Incredible Hulk TV series)...always looking for the cure...and never giving up hope.

Now that I'm married (7 years), hairloss doesn't rule my life as much as it once did...but I still think about it everyday...and wish I could get back a little youthfulness.

I'm not one to take pictures, but I will let you guys know if I notice anything while on Rye's formula. I'm not using anything else to combat my hairloss...unless you count normal multi-vitamins.

When I get on Proscar, I usually notice within a week that my hair gets darker...and the skin on my head turns white...instead of the slightly inflamed looked. The pores look healthier and open...instead of looking tight and painful. Again, I am not on Proscar or Minoxidil...only Rye's formula. It will be promising if I see my scalp look healthier and hair darker. I leave the formula on over night...and use the shampoo in the morning. I do this everyday. It won't win any awards for smelling good...but it's more tolerable than things I've used in the past.

Hope this helps,

Chris

To Frontline..he DID try to "sell "it..his posts are still at HLF about it too. Here's an example: "if you want results you can still get in on this as i am only formulating once then you may have to wait a period before it is manufactured by a big company and if it works on more than just me i assure you it won't be $400 for a 6 month-1 year supply...how much does a hair transplant run now-a-days?...for min coverage i believe it is anywhere from $10,000-$20,000 per session --- that's unattainable"

I remember his "if you want results" sales-pitch here as well.

Well, Rye's sales pitch on his shampoo does make it sound really good.........so for that i'm going to go ahead and award him the Nobel prize for his work in eliminating MPB.

My bump was for Nid anyway..since Rye can't even answer the questions.

Otherwise, it's only reasonable for Rye to provide relevant answers to the questions that have been raised regarding his shampoo.

If Rye's shampoo is so great, and he really knows what he is doing in regard to the formulation of his product, why then can't he answer some simple questions?!?

I have a feeling Nid won't be back....

As far as your statement goes:

"as for the other questions i haven't read the whole thread and won't as it is huge and i have a limited amount of time to spend on forums"

Actually the basic questions raised in regard to your shampoo are pretty straight forward. However, it's understandable that you have "a limited amount of time to spend on forums."

So, I'll offer a simple, time saving solution, for you.

Just answer the basic questions on your shampoo, save them to a word processing program on your computer, then copy and paste to the forum!

If fact, Rye, you may have all this information readily available as part of your extensive research needed to develop and formulate your shampoo!!

Very curious to know what your regimen is

Turtle..topicals- Lamas' topical...Elsom's Terminal 1 & 2 and ScalpXtreme..rotated. Will be adding the Dermatopoietin Hair Protection system starting in Nov..I think.

So far, here are my thoughts on Ignite--

With my hair length, I need 3 pumps of shampoo to feel comfortable using it. I leave it on for the duration of my shower (5 to 10 minutes). After washing it out, hair is easier to comb back and style post-shower, most likely due to the essential and carrier oils.

I also need 3 squirts of the smaller bottle, which I use overnight (the pre-shampoo). The pre-shampoo seems to prevent any itch that I am used to getting overnight, and hair loss does appear to be a bit down but I'm also drinking less.

Just going to be patient and will continue to use it throughout the months.

It was also asked how you can possible know what is doing what when using so many things? Even here you say you think your hair loss is down...I thought things were actually reversing and growing with the other things you've been using.